CESNET.online

  • What is the purpose of CESNET-L and CESNET-D?
    • CESNET-L is “a professional listserv for counselors, counselor educators, and supervisors whose purpose is to provide an open forum for discussion of counselor education and supervision issues, and sharing of resources related to the profession.”
    • CESNET-D serves the same purpose but does not permit requests for research posts. CESNET-D is not a list but an online web-based discussion board that does not use your email as an interface.
  • Can I belong to both CESNET-L and CESNET-D?
    • Yes, you can be a member of both. They require separate signups (see the How To portion of this website) and have certain limitations on post material.
  • How did CESNET-L and CESNET-D originate?
    • The idea for CESNET-L emerged from a 1994 NCACES (North Central Association for Counselor Education and Supervision) lunch speaker’s (John Littrell) roundtable activity where he asked attendees to discuss ideas for the future of counselor education. David Kliest (now faculty at Idaho State University) and I were at separate tables, and our tables both came up with the idea of doing a listserv. We were both doctoral students at the time. I returned to my university sooner than David, told the appropriate lies to the faculty so they would sign off on the listserv project, and started CESNET-L in November of 1994. At this time CESNET-L has 7000+ members.

      The idea for CESNET-D spawned from conversations with Donna Hickman and Nancy Thomas in February 2023. I decided to use the Discourse.group platform and launched CESNET-D in March 2023. At this time, there are 1800+ members on CESNET-D.
  • Where have the lists been hosted?
    • The CESNET-L has moved with me from The University of South Carolina (as a doctoral student) to Columbus State University, and as of 2000, at Kent State University as its host.
    • CESNET-D is hosted on a web platform with discourse.group
  • Are the CESNET-L and CESNET-D free to subscribe to?
    • Yes, both lists are free to subscribe to.
  • Are CESNET-L and CESNET-D related to ACES?
    • One of the misnomers of CESNET is that it is a product of ACES (The Association for Counselor Education and Supervision). Although it came from an idea at a regional conference, it was never a membership list for ACES, nor was it run by ACES. It is open to the public and not a benefit of membership in ACES.
  • Is CESNET-L or CESNET-D managed?
    • I have only had to manage the CESNET-L listserv members occasionally. The members seem to take care of themselves (although, sometimes, it’s a bumpy ride). I have not had to “kick anybody off the list,” although I have had lengthy off-list conversations with some to convince them to change their approach to the list. I have had some people threaten to leave the list because of the tone of some discussions, some have left passionately, and some have come back without the same fanfare they left. Since CESNET-L is a non-moderated list (and I don’t want the job) things get through on the list that I can’t pul back.
      CESNET-D is a discussion board, so it is esy for me to go in and pull posts (generally research requests) and notify the poster why?
  • What do you know about the members of CESNET-L and CESNET-D?
    • Very little. Since subscribing to the CESNET-L is anonymous and we do not gather demographics on this that subscribe, I will never really know the make-up of our listserv membership. CESNET-L is primarily faculty in the role of counselor educators, a portion of doctoral students (who will be our future faculty, and some practicing counselors and supervisors.
      CESNET-D is a web-based discussion board that does ask for email and a password to be a member. I do not have any access to your email and password (so remember it).
      We gather no demographic information which is a limitation if you use CESNET-L for research purposes.
  • Why did I get a “You have been automatically removed from CESNET-L” message?
    • The system will also automatically shut off addresses where it has been receiving error messages. If you changed your email address, if your service provider was temporarily offline, or if your service provider ‘sees’ the listserv address as spam, your email was shut off by the listserv because it started to get a “no such address” error bounce back.
    • The problem of dropping off the list has been on the rise with yahoo.com, aol.com, and hotmail.com, putting block for emails using their domain must originate from their servers. Listserv software includes the originator’s email in the header, so those services reject it (like a ‘false positive’ in research). It is a way to protect spam accounts on this service but has blocked emails from listservs unless permissions are set. After so many errors to a particular account, Listserv software drops the member.
  • Can the list be used for my research?
    • Yes, but please look at the link on this website regarding Research. The information there will help you develop a good research design and strategy.
  • Is there a website I can go to manage my CESNET-L account?
  • How do I change the email address that I get CESNET-L?
    • You can change your email address by going to http://listserv.kent.edu/archives/cesnet-l.html and selecting “Join or Leave the list (or change settings)” entering your current information, then changing the email address and selecting update.
  • Where can I find the CESNET-L archives?